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INTERVIEW' WITH, T'HE F'IRS±:' LADY,
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',Why'--:- ,first 'of ali"it.'s been written al)qmber. of/times' in
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)cnow where i t ~ 'came from" -'because the f irsttime I ,thirik': it, '
'really was, written about,' that T r~memb,er, was',around ,the
time' we, came back from' our- vacation.' And I had to
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Kathleen 'Brown.' And it 'was written that I 'couldn't bear' to:
be·back'±n.th~,':White House,and',so fled 'to Cali'fornia to ' ,
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on" children' s ',issues, ,wl1ichare a' continuing concern pf ours ,', ,"
'we're 'goirigto have'to be ,more' future, orienb~d, 'because 'we're,
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'the White' House, and talking, about' ,our priprities ,ahd what the
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'cc;mtinue to ,work/on: thps,e':areas ,that' anf 'of,impor'ti:lnce: to me"
and thq.t' the: Presidenth~s, highlighted~. And, )have qoneso.'" '
So' I don't £eally knoW',where"all't.his ',CaIne from, but\-':' you '; .
',know', ,·1 'kind' ofthinkstori'es, rqn, in, cycles, and 'that' looked"
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tli'at 's .hi t in people's ab'ility to'juggie ali 'my roles, jU'st'
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very" much. I, mea,n,' it's kind, of like" in som~ of· the :thirigs
that -~some,of the things tl1~t you point .out-in your book'
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because~ efthe,Jpresfdent's cemmitment' ,to. such a' broa:d,agEmd~, ,
l' might, have ,,:wendered whether, ,you know, we 'were 'going' to. .
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do' in, 1;.heir , own ',lives eyery day, by ,spending 'a day thqt ;' "
censfsteCiof --, iikeaday I spent ,last week" going 'to. my ,
daughter's ~cbeQI ,becauSe, I misS,ed ,theparent,-teacher" "
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- children, 'because, Treally believe 'that. '_ I'th:ink 'we' are" _
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this -,false, ,debate:abolit cpi'ldren 1 s issues, where' you've got:
the-rights basically';.plaming parerit:sand"~amities"for-- '
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, part dissatisfied about ~what's going on around"them because
of, intensely personal' issues.' 'Th~y, feed like their children "
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',workplace-" are deteriorating. They"'re not ,getting the
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w~nt,government to -do something, 'b':lt they don't "want it.. tb be'
'a ~bU:'rden to them~' And so' that '-,:"" 'W~'regoing ,through ~"
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fa;I.,li.ng througl:l' thE? .pracks while 'peop+e',are trying tC)work
outa:ll,of'these~ issues:: iii their ,lives. ,"And 'I, "want 'to' --, I'
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.. ,this together', ahdthat~s one' of.,the things that,y;ou know,
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people are facing. ,- And oftentimes, in periods 6f~ chahge,'
. people 'yearn 'forauthbritar·ianisI11. _ ~,Ttiey yearn·.for simple,
, ariswers to complex ,problems ~ -So I 'think there' s a iot .about
the concerns :of.the .farrightthat,- are root.edin,rea,lity:' .
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governmental ,level,,' try, to solveth6sec'prOl?1~ms; ~n:4 not le,t·
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"'thefutureofour children, :that there,'will pe stories that
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you',know,' 197'1, +was',~on the! staff .of' ·the Carnegie Counsel on
Children.', In 1973 , I went .to· work. as,'thestaff. attoirteyfor '
the Children's .DefenseFund. II:: i: mean~ 'these arethe'i'ssues>'
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than 'I have dev,oted so, much "of her time and effort 'ito trying
to improve 'condition's for c:::hildren and, tog'ive r19a1 support
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popular 'to "talk about"'but I really' do be'lieve ,that dIvorce
is'one of the' really' difficult issues, that,peopie are going
to' ,have to face 'up to') wl:ten you look at what's happening 'to, '
kids in Amer;icatoday.'And, you know~ that~s'not' :comfortable
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a' system, that really doeshav~,a:n ~nd date, a'date certain"
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degre~'ofequanimity ab9ut:.'Your'lack p~,abilityto ,control
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last two years? 'Were there times wher~you were,,' "What is
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<p>Lissa Muscatine first served in the Clinton Administration as a speechwriter. Within the First Lady’s Office, she served as Communications Director to the First Lady.</p>
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